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Backpacker Radio

Aug 23, 2021

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we have a lively conversation with the crew at Outdoor F.U.T.U.R.E., a diverse coalition working to ensure that nature’s transformational powers are accessible to all of our nation’s youth.  We chat about the organization's goal of a federal equity fund, why you can't plug your ears and demand that politics stay out of the outdoors, how inequality affects outdoor access, and much more. 

We wrap the show with a bizarre story of a former professor being suspected of starting several fires in California, a gross or not gross about dogs eating human body fluids, and a very important correction to the record of my shoeless etiquette on airplanes.

This episode was recorded on Arapahoe, Ute, Cheyenne and Shoshone land.

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Interview with

00:02:30 - QOTD: How have your backpacking plans gone to shit as of late? 

00:11:02 - Reminder! Backpacker Radio Wisconsin Meetups — Wednesday, October 13 at Delafield Brewhaus and Friday, October 15 at Hop Haus in Fitchburg

00:12:04 - Welcome Gabaccia Moreno, Jalen Goff, Gabe Vasquez and Teresa Martinez of Outdoor F.U.T.U.R.E.

00:13:00 - Introduction to Gabe Vasquez

00:13:56 - Everyone, when you introduce yourselves, can you tell us how you initially got into the outdoors?  

00:17:32 - Introduction to Gabaccia Morreno 

00:19:43 - Do you have a favorite form of outdoor recreation? Is that hunting? 

00:20:45 - Are you a Bills fan? 

00:21:21 - Introduction to Jalen Goff

00:28:29 - Introduction to Teresa Martinez 

00:35:06 - Can you talk a little bit about the specifics of Outdoor F.U.T.U.R.E. and how you’ll achieve your goals? 

00:35:20 - Introduction to Jessica Loya 

00:40:44 - Do you know how far away we are from an outdoor equity fund? Is there a timeline?

00:48:29 - Go to to offer your support for the Outdoor Future Act

00:49:43 - Where does the money come from for the initiative? 

00:51:08 - If someone wants to give what’s the process? Go to

00:51:41 - Introduction to Ángel Peña

00:53:33 - How are we gonna pay for it? 

00:57:43 - Is it a bad strategic move to start with private funding?

01:00:26 - What does it look like in a dream world where Outdoor F.U.T.U.R.E. is successful in everything they do? 

01:08:03 - What do you say to people who say “the outdoors are free” and “the outdoors are for everyone”? What are the fundamental inequities that underserved communities face in accessing the outdoors?

01:19:26 - What does it look like if Outdoor F.U.T.U.R.E. fails? 

01:26:00 - Why do you think that is (that POC are polling to call for more protection of the outdoors)?

01:30:34 - What do you say to people who don’t want to “bring politics” into the outdoors?

01:37:54 - What is the takeaway message that you’d like to leave for our listeners?

01:41:10 - F.U.T.U.R.E. stands for Fund for Underrepresented and Tribal, Urban, and Rural Equity

01:48:00 - Rapid fire for Zach and Chaunce

  • Mezcal or Patron
  • Soft or Crunchy
  • Corn or Flour
  • Green chili or Jalapenos 
  • Red or Green (chili) 
  • Rolled or Flat
  • Taco or Burrito
  • Smothered or on the side 
  • Selena or Shakira
  • Do you know whose land you are on? 
  • What does allyship and equity look like to you?


Trek Propaganda 

Former University Professor Held on Suspicion of Arson Near PCT

Did Zach actually say he goes barefoot in the airplane bathroom? Give us a timestamp

Listener Gross or Not Gross

  • Would you rather eat boogers or goose poop? 

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